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ParticipantTo comment on the pho…fauxtographer that shot the wedding – I think there is hope for them, in the future… but they should absolutely NOT be charging or taking on weddings without the know-how, understanding or even entry level gear. Get that bad boy a 50mm 1.8 and a canon ex 430 ii and they can learn how to bounce flash and work with a shallower dof.
It’s a disappointment because the bride in the most recent set is a very pretty girl and looks like she invested a lot of time into looking as good as she did that day (what bride doesn’t? or.. well… in most cases).
Here’s hoping she spends a LOT of time improving and learning. 🙁 So sad for your nephew though.Oh… and seriously, is the groom wearing eyeliner? Because it just looks like it to me.
EDIT: Oh Lord. Going deeper into the album, I change my mind. BAD BAD BAD! Stop charging immediately! Yikes…
ParticipantI am going to side with KeyandFill here, CC. You raise a fantastic point of giving the photos as a gift, but the caveat is when someone asks the happy couple who did the photos/how much they paid/etc. there will be a pre-existing notion that they can get a “deal”. This is not necessarily something conscious but it does happen more often than not.
For example, just yesterday I was speaking with a friend who asked if I would photograph their wedding. We became friends due to the wedding of a mutual friend I photographed earlier this year. For that wedding I was asked to shoot instead of be a bridesmaid – not because they knew I would deliver what a 4k pro would, but because I would provide them with a quality product (though my limitations, realistically, are not nearly on par with a luxury wedding photog) and I knew how to capture their personalities better than most. Some of the photos came out fantastic, others I look back on and wish I could tweak/practice more… especially regarding OCF… but I digress…
She asked me to shoot her wedding next year and the first question out of her mouth after payment was mentioned was “What did you charge *friend’s name*?” … Before answering I explained that I should have charged more based on what was expected of me and how I now have better equipment and more experience – thus I am worth more.
That did not go over smoothly. Finally we agreed on a discounted (but higher than the previous wedding) price and went from there…Had they known how bad the photographer was, maybe KeyandFill could have taken a couple to give as a gift but not been expected to shoot much – you know, just the biggies: Walking down the aisle, ring exchange, kiss, first dance, cake cutting and toasts. You take ten or 15 photos and get maybe 5 printed for them on the cheap(er – if you have a relationship with your printer), it could go a long way… but I know when I’m a wedding guest, I don’t like immediately being asked or expected to bring my gear.
ParticipantI think this is ultimately intentional sleaze-photography. It’s meant to look dirty and scandalous. It’s supposed to look like she’s the “young, aspiring model – turned broken sex toy”. It’s all about Miley’s disgraceful “new image”. This is THE guy to do the job.
Personally I don’t have the stomach for that man. This set could be considered “Faux-ish”, absolutely, but it is intentional.
If this spawns some terrible movement of styling this way, then we have a serious problem on our hands. Many people won’t understand the irony here and I’m sure there are already Faux’s out there claiming that this shoot “inspired” their shoddy work that followed.Realistically, I will say I hate this shoot.
ParticipantThis made me smile. I know it’s bad… and it’s sad that their wedding day is tarnished slightly due to the whole ordeal, but I honestly enjoy when people get what’s coming to them. Working in retail for so long has made me a very cynical person….
Participantoh gosh Jones, that’s a great one! These are awesome!
ParticipantLol awesome. You should made sure to crop off his hand though 🙂 limbless is totes in style right now.
ParticipantHot Damn. I missed all the excitement! This is Shelby all over again… Eitherwho, just wanted to say good job guys. I feel this didn’t escalate to the same degree as the Shelby debacle. Some people refuse to just accept things and move toward bettering themselves… She really does need help, if anything, with a dyslexia/learning specialist. There is zero reason that that should impede your life when there are ways to get help for free. Oh well.
Kudos to Kim though for being receptive. The backdrop really did look like a tarp to me too. The color and texture were just so similar, I was surprised to find out it wasn’t, quite honestly. I can’t believe they want over a hundred dollars for it! Yikes!
ParticipantI can say I’ve never been on the Jasmine Star hype train. I’ve never thought of her work as “world class” either. I think it’s incredibly common for ideas (and the delivery of said ideas) to be very very close to each other. I don’t feel this is “plagarism” per se, but I do feel like she should write out a blog on word or something, pinpoint her ideas and then add personal anecdotes/sample shots/etc. Only after getting the meat of the article sorted out first.
While O’Donnell is very straight forward, the thing about “teachers” like Jasmine Star (Alex Beadon also comes to mind) is their ability to appeal to an audience through their delivered personality. Military wives, college girls with a fresh starter dslr, etc. are more interested in “real” people rather than cut and dry teaching styles provided by books and some other pros.Personally, I take all their advice with a grain of salt. I’ll absorb the information from anywhere but I do think she’s way overhyped.
ParticipantNope, no delusions. I just appreciate nice people, not flat out mean ones. I honestly feel like you puff yourself up as some sort of badass but I honestly can’t take you seriously. Even if you say something remotely helpful to someone, I just wonder if you googled it and put it the most pretentious, mean way you can.
You make me never want to come back here, and it’s the reason I don’t even bother reading half the threads that come up. It’s sad, I like this site and you have single handedly annoyed me into ignoring it. Congratulations.
ParticipantI really just can’t take you seriously. You are so overly negative. It’s seriously impossible for me to digest anything you say.
ParticipantI see there have been some changes made to the site! Great!
There are a couple of things I’m seeing now though:
The Gallery page where I can click into the sub-galleries looks clean and I like it (although the text is kind of hard to read), but when you click into the page it just pulls up a long page with large, centered images. I would recommend getting some coding help and making either a filmstrip style thumbnail display (where you can view the full size images by clicking while retaining the thumbnail either underneath or to the side) OR thumbnails with a splash that comes up without coming up in a separate tab or window. I think it could help the lazy scroller actually see the images near the bottom. One of the major flaws with how you have them showcased now is that I can’t always see a whole image at once.The other thing I wanted to add is to cull your images again. The maternity shots have what seems like an entire session with one couple and then maybe two or three from others. Save the “whole” session feel for blog posts, not your gallery. A gallery should be glimpses – let us see variety and what you’re capable of over more broad a spectrum. In the senior gallery you have nice variety but there are more than a few images with soft focus. Be very careful, when I look closer I can tell that the focus is usually resting on a sleeve/arm if they are sideways or a part of their shirt if it’s a front facing shot. You want their eyes to be what’s tack-sharp.
There’s even one shot near the end of the senior page that’s completely out of focus and should be pulled.ParticipantIsn’t that what most people meeting with clients have? A photo book of examples? An online portfolio, sure thing, but I’m really saying don’t hide the photos you take of people away. I’m curious then of what Ebi thinks of photographers that have blogs where they post most of their sessions – it’s a better marketing tool in a lot of ways because it shows if the photographer has consistency, instead of just getting lucky a lot.
ParticipantA decent photographer would not photograph a heavy woman in revealing clothing. That’s just stupid to say. Taking a heavier woman and photographing her in slimming poses and instructing her through a good wardrobe decisions is encouraging to potential clientele. I’m not saying include the entire session in a portfolio, but take a couple of portfolio-worthy ones and mix them in. Having beautiful women is a boost, absolutely, but have REAL women who you can help look and feel gorgeous too. I disagree to not include them.
ParticipantOk, so I actually stumbled across this on Pinterest. Overall these are not bad photos, this set is actually pretty nice and I think the senior would be pleased based on the current trends and all. The light is a little wonky on some and the skin is a little over-smooth but it’s not bad work. However! The first photo screams front page to me! Not just because of the weird white balance, but the photoshopped wolf face? Just… weird.
ParticipantWow… the whole “get skinnier, prettier girls” comment is AWFUL!
Yes, a glamorous person will be great in a portfolio, but if you have a heavier set woman and you photograph her well and you can TELL she feels beautiful, I think that’s more meaningful to a potential client than nothing but unrealistic promises! REAL people hire photographers too, Ebi.Nesgran really nailed the critique. Also, in terms of WCS’s advice, if you’re going to include macros – make sure they’re unique and interesting. The ring shots were ho-hum in terms of grabbing attention. Nothing that even really showed them off.
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