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The majority of those photos were also taken in the extreme heat that was this summer and as you can imagine…makeup melts. But lights would have been great but at the time wasn’t possible and tbh I doubt I would have been patient enough to wait for setup in the hot woods etc. But I would have liked it. Natural light definitely isn’t what I ever want ha. Actually I’m not too self conscious, I’m pretty self aware. I don’t really care about editing in everyday photos and used to hate editing and airbrushing period… but this particular photographer made the editing more artistic and shocking (to me) or extreme and that made me like it. If it was just my airbrushed face I don’t think I would like the impact as much unless there was lighting involved. We did experiment with professional lights etc but that was for indoor shots. Those things are hot!

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I understand that but as a client I cant work with haughty photographers…especially ones that say ‘you dont know what your talking about, im the photographer’ when I suggest something. (not implying anyone here did that just a peeve). I appreciate photography its just not a medium I’m uber passionate about or know a lot about. And somethings are not ‘technically correct’ but if I like the effect, I like it.  i.e. the fog effect. It perhaps wasn’t done the best way…but you can tell its there and thats what want. Thank you, I dont know I am pretty difficult to work with being as opinionated as I am. I.E the super airbrushing of the skin, I didn’t even mention that. I LIKE that look. i dont want it to look like skin and to be honest its impossible to make it look like skin anyway considering how much makeup I wear. You will never see pores or real skin period ha… I’m not a scandinavian model who can wear sheer foundation and see freckles etc… So that part I like even if its wrong but it not matching my arms and legs… that is a problem. I’m sure its easily fixable but I imagine I’m a frustrating person to work with…and impatient so you have to factor that these images were edited in 20 minutes…

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I wasn’t offended by anyone except soaring and Im over that. I dont mind criticism but when people get harsh for no reason that makes no sense…or accusing me of ‘outing’ someone. To me its not that fucking serious to be honest. Saying pop art though… made it worthwhile. One of the goals with the McDonalds was pop art themed. Thats why the colors are bright ala Warhol. Originally I was going to do my makeup in the same colors as Warhol’s Marilyn Monroe but I was too tired ha.

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I just wanted opinions, I guess I did want to know what to watch out for for the next time I do a shoot like this. Although, I may feel uncomfortable giving the photographer or retoucher that much instruction. But even with these,  I am satisfied. They did their job, they were intended purely as weekly promotional photos….so they did their job.

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I stumbled onto this site and assumed this subforum was to discuss photos, I didn’t read any other posts in detail. My intent wasn’t to call anyone out…since I commissioned and set the tone of these photos. I also didnt expect the photos to be harshly received, i figured there would be some issues and I wanted to see where exactly that would be. I use these photos..so I wouldn’t call someone out on them. Although, once criticized so harshly it did piss me off because i think its somewhat of a grey issue at parts. i.e. the color. I like the colors… I think the McDonalds one is a bit harsh but I realy like the colors in the woods one… I dont see how that would be improved except for professional lights…and its in the woods, not easily done.

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I said I had imput on what i wanted the finished image to look like…Im not a retoucher, I know nothing of the process. i said how I wanted the final image to look based on my limited knowledge and I imagine they got as close to that as possible. Whose problem is it, at this point I’m not sure.

How much your client pays has nothing to do with anything… someone with too much money that they find that somehow appropriate. Although Im assuming it was some sort of corporate client and not an individual and most of that is the fee to distribute the images. Art doesn’t have a price. I guess thats where we really don’t connect. I’m an artist (well technically you are as well ) but you care more about it as a business than an artform (i gather, i dont really know you so i have no idea). Although im sure if i paid 10k  I would be perfectly satisfied. I do apologize for what I said about your work earlier…no need to go there really but I think I took offense as an artist and thats why i went after yours I guess.  But that still being said, I prefer the outcome of my images to several examples of yours. (based on content I guess and not alot of extreme editing which I like…) But I guess thats bc your clients don’t ask for that. I did like the wedding one on the cliff with the wind, that I did like.

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Also…you are judging me for having a discussion about photographs that I own the rights to…whereas you posted images of your clients on here I’m sure without their knowledge…wedding photos, personal and intimate photographs on a site ‘like this’. I didn’t know exactly how harsh and negative it was here that being said I didn’t care. The photos are mine to do with what I please, so you are being a bit hypocritical.

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Unless you shoot landscapes or still life and exhibit photographs, clients are essential to your business. Unless you do it solely for the sake of art…the client is what defines you. Without clients…you aren’t anything. For instance, say the photographer says that the model is responsible for a bad shot…who else is going to model for them.

 

Now, that being said. I did have ALOT of influence in these photos..they are mine and I own the rights to them so if anything it would make me look bad and not the photographer. Your issues lie in the technical aspects and thats what really irritated me because it was never about technical shit for me… and judging a photographers work without consideration of what I wanted is ridiculous. That being said, the execution of what I wanted isn’t my fault and obviously I’d like the skin to match but in the end I don’t care. I’m satisfied. The point is, you shoot weddings, tell a bride she’s the problem with the photograph or be haughty and make it about you instead of them when presenting the photos and see where that gets you.

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I’m not lashing out but you can’t dictate something like COLOR… the color is the last thing I would critique in the photos. The only issue I even see is the somewhat differences in skintone and  that window in the second photo.

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No Im getting upset because you are being pompous. Furthermore, I own the rights to the photos and the concept of these photos were my ideas. The specific photographer would care less what anyone thinks. No… what makes a real photographer is dictated by the client. If the client isn’t satisfied, photos are irrelevant. Furthermore, I am satisfied. There are a few things that I’d like tweaked but the whimsical nature of the photographs are far more important to me than technical mumbo jumbo. I stumbled onto this site not and decided to see what people would say. I had no idea people would be overtly rude. These photographs grace every single one of my social media pages, if I hated them I wouldn’t use them. Like I said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, photography is art not just a science and I prefer the more artistic side than perfect lighting.

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Not only but I think there is quite a bit holier than thou type of behavior on here to be honest. What ‘makes’ you a ‘real’ photographer is whether or not your client is satisfied. I was, for the most part. There are little things here and there that I don’t adore but I’ve seen the photos you posted in your other thread soaring and I didn’t find them very visually appealing. Beauty is inthe eye of the beholder as is any form of art. In the long run, i would rather have a ‘horribly’ edited photo than a photo that seems a bit cliche and simple.

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Furthermore its not to ‘out’ anyone…it was to see opinions.

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I’m not talking ‘smack’. You all are. I’m not completely unsatisfied and the photographer isn’t just my photographer but a personal friend. I had imput but the execution wasn’t done by me…I’m not a photgrapher or retoucher, my limited knowledge of retouching should have been enhanced with real knowledge by someone who does this…

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to see the thoughts on the photography whether or not my photographer was good…

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Imput isn’t execution.  I said I wanted more saturated colors than the normal work I had seen. I had imput but nothing to do with the execution… as far as the colors, I myself don’t see a problem with the colors.  For the third photo, I think the shoes look clunkier than they really are because of the angle. I do wish they were different shoes. As for the lighting, its hard to do professional lighting in the middle of the woods…I just think the proportions in the third photo are a bit bizarre. I like the first one even though I actually had nothing to do with the execution. I didn’t get to pick the specific shot either unfortunately. There are always shots I like better but I’m overruled because I don’t know what Im talking about.    http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30494145

that is more along the lines of the usual style work, faded looking which I definately didn’t care for. I like the more saturated and deep colors as opposed to what I think looks faded.

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