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All we’re seeing here is a bunch of fauxs trying to justify not having the proper equipment. In the days of film, you didn’t see professionals using 110 or disc cameras. They used 35mm and up. Same thing here.

hahaha I LOVE it!

night made

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Oops forgot the link

http://www.diyphotography.net/crop-vs-full-frame-excuse-me-while-i-rant/

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I have to share a link I found while searching for cropped body professionals.  While I don’t think he handled the situation perfectly, I still like his “rant”

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Nesgran,
Oops lol whelp… I guess that just proves/shows I’m not a gear head. Exif data is something I just don’t ever pay attention too (unless I have to when viewing other people’s work) and don’t much care about. I know my fuji, and I knew my 7d, and I have rented a mark ll for 3weeks because I was told they were better, and I was considering a purchase. (My fuji is a better performer in low light and produced much less noise than the markll, but the markll DID add to my field of view. I didn’t really like that, and I found myself wanting to crop my pictures all the time, instead of being happy with the crop in camera, and in essence throwing away the biggest advantage to owning a full frame). That’s all the camera experience I have other than point and shoots and a little dabble in film for a few years. So I’m pretty unfamiliar with Sony and Nikon, etc. and can only go by my own experiences.
It was the first time I ever tried to look up professionals that use crop sensors, and I guess I failed at effectively getting my point across because I’m so unfamiliar. But, I know pros and serious shooters DO use them, and even some prefer them over larger sensors, and people seem idiotic (or possibly a better term would be outdated/out of touch) to me for saying you have to use full frame to be a real photographer, or that full frame cameras are somehow better. Crop and full both have their advantages and disadvantages period.
I think most who fall into the debate and say ff is better, and/or you need a ff to be a serious shooter or working photographer, are thinking in their heads of crop cameras equivalent to Aunt Sue’s rebel, and haven’t looked much further than that.
I know I’d never say “you need a cropped sensor to get the shots you are desiring”, just as I’d never tell someone they need a full frame to be a pro. It’s an individual preference.

Would I take my car to a mechanic that didn’t have metric sockets?
I honestly didn’t know there were different types of sockets.
I would take my car to a mechanic that I know does good work, or that was recommended to me.
Just as I would hire a photographer based on their portfolio, and not their camera size

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“No, I suck because I suck, my camera has nothing to do with my sucking. For you to not understand that offends me and causes me to realize that you recognize I probably suck and you have never seen even a single one of my sucky photos. How presumptuous of you to think I suck. Let me educate you. Here is a list of photographers who don’t suck that use cameras that you probably would think suck. Now I feel vindicated for unduly being labeled a sucky photographer. I promise, I don’t suck, my mom says I’m great.”

as they go out and shop for a full frame camera lol

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All I’m saying is plenty of professionals/serious shooters use cropped bodies too.  High end cropped bodies with sensitive sensors, but with a crop factor smaller than 35mm just the same, just as there are some that shoot medium format or larger.

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and trying to get back on the original topic

I think we can ALL agree with the original poster here.  Someone who buys a full frame without knowing why, and only because they heard ” They are better”, or claims no one can be a REAL photographer unless they shoot with a full frame, is asinine.  Regardless of what we shoot with and/or why we choose the equipment we do the previous poster was told they would never be a real photographer without a full frame.  When in most instances, it was more about miss use of light, exposure, composition, focusing issues, posing etc rather than the equipment.  I don’t think anyone should be told they NEED a full frame (or blah blah blah lens), because if they do need one to achieve the pictures they desire, or to make their picture creation more fluid or easier, they would already know it, and know why they wanted one.

I have a good friend that is a faux.  After just one year of shooting she bought a full frame because “They are better”, and she “Out grew her baby camera”.  Her photography has in turn become worse, because she never really took the time to get to know her equipment and doesn’t understand the fundamentals.  She has even more focusing issues now, and UGH I could go on and on.  My biggest fear is when she starts to seriously network… and one of her pictures ends up getting featured here.  It’s painful to watch, but she’s a pro now because she shoots full frame.  I belong to a large photography group on Facebook that is chuck full of full frame pros that seriously have no clue, because they all read online that “full frame is better, and to be serious/professional you NEED to shoot with a full frame camera”.  It’s detrimental to say things like that, rather than helpful I think.

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“Correct me if I’m wrong. We are discussing  comments and perceptions about photographers by non-photographers/beginning photographers that are based on the type of camera/equipment the photographer is using? Seems a bit pointless. Like trying to explain algebra to a parrot. He’ll repeat what you said, but will not understand it.”

I love that CP 🙂

The biggest discussions and biggest arguments in photography forums usually are about topics that just don’t matter in the long run.  The RAW vs Jpeg, and the cropped vs full frame, and brand of camera, brand of lighting, lenses and on and on…  It’s the final image that counts.  The most acclaimed pictures out there, or should I say most jaw dropping (because some are made by people who are not well known) … well.. no one ever asks was it shot with a full frame or cropped body, or was it converted to jpeg in camera or in software?

Just had this pass by in my feed again today, and thought it sort of pertained to our discussion.  Even if it doesn’t, it’s still funny as hell, and I think you all will like it.  “It’s not about the equipment as much as it is the person behind it” told in a very humorous and kind of different way than usual.

Local Man Buys New Lens for Camera, Becomes Awesome Photographer Overnight

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Oh shit!  lol I had it confused with the A7r.  Well… I’m not gonna look that one up and find pros that use it, then I’d be even more obnoxious about this than I already am 😉

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Here’s another list of lousy cropped body professionals that shouldn’t be charging

http://www.bestmirrorlesscamerareviews.com/2013/08/23/13-amazing-professional-photographers-who-use-mirrorless-cameras-on-the-job/

And these guys!  What were thing thinking using cropped sensor camera on professional gigs like this?  They seriously goofed up.  I hope they aren’t charging

 

http://shotkit.com/fujifilm-x-t1/

 

Portraits in the ruins of Spain with the Fuji X-Pro1 ~ pictures and techniques

 

http://scottrobertla.com/2014/05/22/wedding-amalfi-coast-italy-and-sony-a7-review/

 

Ok Ok I know I’m being obnoxious now lol But seriously… open that mind of yours a little bit 😉 There really are some kick ass cropped bodies out there doing serious work for serious photographers.

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“If you charge for photos you should use proper equipment. That means a full frame body and proper lenses/lighting.”

Ut OH!  You better tell all these photographers to hang it up then

http://innesphotography.com

Panasonic GH4 micro 4/3

 

2014 | The Year So Far – London Wedding Photographer

Fuji X-Pro1 and X100s

 

Stories

sony a7 crop

 

http://www.bigdaygalleries.co.uk/#!/1/featured/click_any_image_to_enlarge/90

fuji X 100s

 

http://www.mattwilkinsonphotography.co.uk

Fuji X-T1/ X-pro1

 

http://www.brockbestphotography.com/#our-story-1

Olympus OM-D E-M1 crop

 

http://www.bcapphoto.com

Fuji film X-T1

 

http://jessejamesphotography.ca

Fuji X-E2

 

http://www.colinnichollsphotography.com

Fuji X-E2 / X100

 

http://www.rpphotographybydesign.co.uk

Olympus OM-D E-M1

 

http://www.kevinmullinsphotography.co.uk

FujiFilm X-T1

 

http://www.heiter-bis-wolkig.info/p944322728#h138df4e2

Olympus Om-D E-M1

 

http://www.shaunking.com

Olympus OM-D E-M1 / Panasonic GH4

 

http://hamburg-hochzeitsfotografen.de

Sony A7

 

http://brillpix.com

Fuji Film X-T1

 

http://www.fotografomatrimoni.biz/?post_type=portfolio

Olympus OM-D E-M1

 

http://www.fabiocamandona.com/?page_id=23

Fuji Film X-E2

 

http://www.phildweddingphotography.co.uk

Fuji Film X-T1

 

http://www.hochzeitsfotograf-alexander-hahn.de/hannover/index.php#/page/41d3/galerie/

Olympus OM-D EM1

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Picar,
This guy is just a scammer spammer. He steals photography to promote his “editing” services. Loser with a capital L

If you click on his profile you’ll see all the threads he’s been a part of and get the just.

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Ugh! That raw talent that some people possess…sigh… So glad they are out there dropping jaws and telling stories, but it’s also a constant reminder that I suck at photography lol
Don’t we all wish it really WAS the camera/gear? Can’t blame people who want to believe that it is, can we? Not when we have little voices in our own heads saying things like “If I had a blah blah blah, I bet I could get that shot”

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I’ve never had anyone ask or inquire if my camera was full frame or not, but I do see that type of idiocy in photography groups and forums. It used to be that to have a sensitive enough sensor for low light, going full frame was best and kind of a necessity for pros that shot weddings and events, but now some cropped bodies are kicking some serious butt as far as high iso performance goes. Nah, sensor size just isn’t a make or break thing at all.

I personally prefer a cropped sensor, as I like to move in close and don’t like to crop out of camera at all, but not everyone shoots the same as I do, and maybe they would prefer a full frame because it would compliment they way they shoot better than a cropped body would. A beginner wouldn’t know why they wanted that full frame, they just think it’s the best, and so they have to have it.

BTW I shoot an X series too. I simply love it! I had no problem trading in my “bigger” camera for the fuji. It just feels right. Like you said it’s not as easy to work with (as in.. you don’t just fire the thing off) but it’s really rewarding, and I feel I put even more thought into my photos and even my snap shots than I ever did before. I’m hooked
To top it off, no one notices me out there anymore, and if they do they aren’t all impressed and interested like they were with my big ol dslr. I had one person actually come up to me and say “you should think about getting a real camera. A dslr is what you want. Then you can learn how to shoot better, and play with different settings”. I just nodded and thanked them. Then I had a couple people on separate occasions ask why I still shot film ;). People’s reactions and non reactions to the fuji, are definitely a plus for me.

Have you seen this video yet? If not I think I’d be right up your alley. Plus you could post a link to it every time an online discussion/argument over the subject got started. That’s what I plan on doing, and just did

and you might get a kick out of this blog too

http://photosfujiscanttake.tumblr.com

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lol Seth, you’d really hate my Facebook feed!  It’s full of half ass crap like that.  I understand it, because I struggle with color too and my processing leaves me lost sometimes.  Difference is… I know this of myself, and I’m not out there saying “look what I can do for you.  Pay me”.  lol

and why is it that these tog friends of mine have their business pages up and going, but still share all their crap on their personal accounts?  I didn’t like their pages for a reason, as Im sure their other friends on their personal account who haven’t liked their page, but we get banged over the head anyway.  What?! do they think it was a mistake that some of their friends don’t like their photography page?  That we somehow don’t understand how to work the like button?!  NOPE

oh geeze!  And don’t get me started on all the non tog friends I have who get ripped off by bad photographers.  I may have to quit Facebook for my own sanity.

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