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Participantand I will start to critique as well, for what it’s worth.
Participantwow, good stuff from Kelby. Never saw this before…
I got the idea with every one of the shots they looked at. Thanks for the link – moves my mind in a different direction for sure. Maybe I just needed to see a video on it, I don’t know. But it helped.
Thx. 🙂
Participant@ebi: may I ask you to post a link to your website? I cannot find it on here, sorry
and you said “photography is an ART and SUBJECTIVE” and “I want to help you, though.” And critics neither have to be photographers nor artists, so…. what should we learn from those who are not experts? Hold on… you are an expert…. but…. “you couldn’t pay me to take critic from an accomplished photographer.”
Distilled down, your comments say this “I’m an expert in my field who would not trust someone like me to critique my work.”
I like the comment by Charles Schwab: “I have yet to find the man, however exalted his station, who did not do better work and put forth greater effort under a spirit of approval than under a spirit of criticism.”
ParticipantIMHO, every response to the original post has been a “whole lot of who shot john,” with nothing substantive. In fact, Ebi goes the extra mile by contradicting himself not once but twice.
What is so terribly cumbersome about posting your own work with a “here ya go.”?
ParticipantCoastalTog- I did.
ParticipantSome clarification is in order.
My own photos were neither the subject of the negative post to CC’s work nor the stimulus for my subsequent ‘conflagration.’ In fact, my own work garnered only positive & constructive criticism from the folks here.
Another member who ‘asked for a simple opinion’ on his / her portfolio and website was met with such caustic and mob-like derisiveness as to render the person speechless that such comments would come from other photographers, let alone those who were asked for a simple ‘opinion.’
I read the post as did others here. From the original plea, this was a person looking for just a little positive encouragement – by the language used any person could tell this was not a seasoned ‘middle eastern oil trader’ used to haggling for hours over saving 5 cents on a length of pipe. “Nice work.” would have sufficed. Or perhaps “IMHO, a tad more light would’ve been better here, but otherwise good shooting!” Maybe the harshest comment could read “Well, I don’t know about this shot. What were your thoughts here? Do you see that the eye is drawn away from the subject? I’ve made those mistakes myself…”
I get that this site is not here to stroke anyone’s ego and everyone here expects you to have a thick skin and extols “hey, we’re doing this for free – as in NO PAY, NADA, ZERO so be happy we’re reading your stuff at all!”
Kind of reminds me of residency… you know what else reminds me of that? When I learned the 79 yr old old woman had exudative AMD with a neo-net and advanced macular scarring in one eye and was already LP in the other. Her greatest fear coming into the hospital…? She knew her vision was depleting and it would get so bad so fast she wouldn’t see her grandchild due to be born in 3 months. Her outside doctor had told her so: “There’s nothing more we can do. Get to a low vision specialist and hopefully they’ll be able to help you read large print.” That’s it. Case closed. Next patient.
The other doctor had not filled her in on anything she said (probably not true), but she had no clue of my findings and had every faith I would find something that required a simple fix to get her by. It was mid-December. I struggled with myself, the chief resident, the attending, even the damn PAs. Outside, I talked with her daughter at length. She cried copiously while hugging her husband – and me as well for a time, and her dripping makeup stained my clinic coat. My decision was made: “Mrs. Gomez, we’re going to give you a shot, and I want to see you back in 4 months. You’re going to be fine.”
Her granddaughter’s name is Izabela. She’s my patient, been with me for 11 years. I see the whole family. They still tell the story of how I kept grandma seeing long enough until the Christening. I did nothing except give her the power of positive thinking.
Some here can learn from that. That’s all I meant.
ParticipantAfter many of the comments I’ve read from authors who i mistakenly believed to be experts in their craft worthy of critiquing others’ works, I can see from whence they come is self-styled “master photographers.”
In medicine, it has been said that an inept clinician will often whisper advice from cover rather than risk its merit at the point of attack by referring to another doctor then lambasting him / her when a treatment plan goes bad. I can see that this board is chock full of such people.
Put your money where your mouth is. Every one of you. Show us, pray tell, your UNIQUE and PROFESSIONAL work. I particularly like this comment:
I have received negative critique, and have never once got defensive and said “let me see YOUR work, know it all! I ask questions.”
BS. You might have done that if the person kindly said “check your lighting or composure to alter the scene a little and it’ll do wonders.” If it was from the the rest of these clods, you would first rifle through every image the other person has ever posted and say “Who’s he kidding?! Mine are better!”
As I said before I’m a doctor, not a pro photographer, and at this point I’m glad I stuck around this forum just long enough to see everyone’s true colors.
As I said before, this site is around so those of you not making any money have a place to vent by laughing at others. Keep laughing, it’s fine. 🙂
Participantcameraclicker, I’m curious as to why you think this would EVEN REMOTELY be a good image?! Were you paid for this shot?!
I think the poster of this topic has a valid point. If that pic is representative of your BEST work, sir / madam, you have NO RIGHT criticizing my work. At all.
The composition, exposure, clarity, white balance, extraneous “stop sign,” asymmetry…. all of it way off base.
I’m glad I could finally see the Grand High Exalted Mystic Wizard’s work. You need A WHOLE LOT MORE PRACTICE. But keep shooting – you’ll get there.
Participantthe officiator’s grimace at the right while looking at his book says “I don’t need the $75 THAT badly..”
December 10, 2013 at 4:00 pm in reply to: Whether we like it or not, fauxtogs ARE making money…. #15685ParticipantAgreed, ebi.
As a hobbyist, I am fortunate enough to have top grade glass, body & other gear worth $20K and have taken 6 years to really learn their use both by trial n error and watching COUNTLESS online tutorials before bed. And I really don’t have an organized ‘portfolio’ even though I posted what I thought would have counted as one some weeks ago on this forum.
And, after all of this, I would be petrified to ask a person for money if I was approached with “would you shoot my…” I’d shoot the event, as in the case of my aunt & uncle’s 50th wedding anniv party 5 months back, but then I’d look at every shot in LR and go “that’s crap” or “I can’t believe I thought that would be a good shot!” and then eventually say “well, this is the best I could do, I guess.” The photos were not really bad – my self-critiquing was way over the top because someone was expecting me to do a good job, and I was looking at the shots like a photographer, NOT as a ‘client.’
In the end, I’m a doctor, not a pro photographer. And I think it is not right that other folks who are fauxtographers because perhaps they are out of work or are just on ego-trips are taking money from your pocket. Because if those same clients saw some of the work I’ve seen from you guys on this board, I think they would cough up the $$$$ to spend on you.
December 9, 2013 at 6:26 pm in reply to: Whether we like it or not, fauxtogs ARE making money…. #15658Participantthat was a terrific explanation, spanghew. There are times I feel I’m drilling a hole in water explaining to others what my thoughts were on a composition of a particular photo to no avail, whilst my wife will say of an accidental shutter actuation, “why did you delete that one?! It was perfect!”
I started this thread because my hat’s off to the pros on this site who can poke fun at fauxtogs without grabbing a weapon and going postal on someone because they’re stealing your potential clients. But I guess the point is they’re NOT your potential clients because they can’t appreciate what you have to offer. They don’t see the value in your service. You’re better off without them.
I’m a hobbyist, and gonna stay that way. 🙂
ParticipantI thought I received some good advice here, CoastalTog. And isn’t this is a ‘real’ photography site anyhow?
Participantcheck out http://www.lightroompresets.com.
This appears to be one of the BIRTHPLACES of all the retro-hipster-wannbe-way-overedited junk we’re all seeing. And she’s selling this crap to at least 2 of the fauxtogs on this site who are cross-marketing each other.
Unbelievable.
Participantthanks Bill !! My skin is not that thick, but I welcome comments from the pros here because I believe that we all need improvement in what we do – anyone who thinks they’re done learning, cannot be a professional ANYTHING.
Participantthank you, cameraclicker!! I see your suggestions, and will work on those…
nasgran, I a thinking of going “to the next level,” whatever that would mean for me, inasmuch as I already have a career. But there are times I’ve seen other ‘pro’ folks work and thought “I could do just a wee bit better.” I went to a wedding recently and everything from the engagement pics to the thank yous were terrible – sepia filters, out of focus, over/under exposures amonst them – I often wonder if people understand what talented photog can really produce!
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