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ParticipantEbi, you are just becoming white noise now.
ParticipantWhy are the parents apparently naked??? How uncomfortable does the emo kid look?!
ParticipantLOL – I thought that too WCS – talk about paedo alert!!
ParticipantI agree iliketag, it does mean much more coming from the pro’s, of course – it’s pretty damn invaluable. However it still needs to be communicated effectively – otherwise it’s meaningless and no one is going to learn anything. In fact, I think it just creates a fuck you attitude and turns fauxs even more faux.
ParticipantSorry Nesgran, I don’t agree – you can still offer good crits and have a lot to learn yourself. The ability to critically analyse an image and then communicate those thoughts so the recipient understands is a skill in itself. For example, not all art critics are artists, theatre critics, actors etc.
It’s often more easy to see the flaws of other peoples’ work over your own, as you’re more objective.
ParticipantWhat an awkward situation Maryah! Even though he doesn’t acknowledge your help, does he act on it – i.e. make the changes you suggest. Or does he ignore it completely? If the latter then if I were you I wouldn’t bother anymore to offer crits.
If the former, then yeah, I think I would continue as he is listening at least. Maybe to take the heat off just you giving crits, arrange a little crit group – i.e. group of friends, wine, snacks etc and take it in turns to show and discuss your latest work, every few weeks.
That way, other’s would share their thoughts on his work too and he may get the message if you’re all saying similar things – and also he’s listening to other crits besides on his work – so he’s seeing everyone has room for improvement; and learning how to give crits too – which is all part of the learning curve, i.e. learning to analyse images critically – his own and other peoples. (Though I am surprised he’s not used to this process if he’s just been through art school – we used to have crits that left us in tears lol!)
Also maybe suggest trying online crit forums?
Good luck!
ParticipantWell I’m only a noobie so feel free to disregard anything I say; but I just wanted to say be mindful of your backgrounds as in your maternity section there seem a couple of messy backgrounds – for example, in the one where she is on the bed there’s what looks like a couple of coke cans in the b/g. And in the one where the guy is kissing the purple topped lady’s bump, the tree seems a bit awkwardly placed right in the middle of them – and then my eye keeps going to that little bird in the corner! And in the one where she is on the train tracks (cropped at her neck), the train above her bump detracts from her elegant form and and spoil the converging lines of the track.
ParticipantI have to say, I think this is a great critique!
ParticipantWhat is it with these names? Roulette Exposure and now Blown Away?! Is this some kind of sub conscious admission they can’t get the right exposure?
Participant“I said yes” ….so now he’s going to punch her in the face? WTAF, this must be the worst pose ever!
ParticipantLol – I guess if you spend your life trying to avoid such things it seems a bit weird that others purposely try to get them. It has become quite trendy, along with the whole instagram thing.
I think though, for some, it boils down to a matter of taste and background maybe. For example, my background is painting and printmaking, mediums in which you learn to enjoy exploit the ‘happy little accidents’. When I started darkroom photography, I was interested in the happy little accidents – like when the chemicals were a bit exhausted or things weren’t properly fixed and the prints (mono) would go pinkish or silvery.
One thing I really hate though is fake film frames/edges – on digital images!
ParticipantOh, okay, then I apologise for the Bresson quip.
I read the crit – it was very helpful. To my mind though, that was what should have been said initially.
Participant“It also doesn’t make it fiction, either.”
True, it’s as valid or invalid as the creator decides I guess.
“No. You have to do both. But 9 times out of 10 you have to please everyone else.”
In commerical photography yes, in fine art photography or any other fine art medium, no.
“The alternative is to say nothing at all. My opinion is that I don’t like the idea.”
Not at all, if you read my comment you’d see I’m not suggesting that – just to explain why you don’t like something.
“…then he can ask for it and maybe i’ll respond.”
Jeez, are you friggin Bresson or something? You SHOULD respond – if you give a critique you should explain yourself clearly.
But I’m getting the impression that a lot of people on here are just looking for some sort of validation that what they are doing is good. I’m not going to be the person to give it to them.
Well, that’s your perception and I guess you are right with some. But this is a quite a scary site and I think most posting here do understand that they’re going to get harsh critiques – if they want solely validation they would stay on flickr for the awesome capture comments. They wouldn’t come here in the first place.
ParticipantI think it depends who’s doing it. I’m quite interested in this subject and remember reading an article about people going in for this low fi/grungey look as a bit of a backlash from the near ‘perfect’ (yeah right!) images that digital produces.
I think film is a lot more hands on and it’s that that still has an appeal to people and it’s that aesthetic that they are trying to emulate or recapture.
It’s interesting though as this has been happening almost since the start of photog, with togs like Edward Steichen using ‘grungey’ techniques and blur etc. in order to produce a more ‘legitimate’ art form as they believed photography, as it was, was too mechanical and needed to be more ‘hand crafted’ for it to be an acceptable art form.
Sorry to go on, but I’m just really interested in this 🙂
Participant“it’s not arrogance and disdain for everyone, just bad photographs. the photograph above is poorly composed, badly comped and horribly shot. The idea is cute, not conceptual. OP wanted to know what we thought. I’m but one opinion. While all of your opinions are trying to help him improve this image technically they distract from the most important problem – you cannot polish a turd. The idea is not clever. Do something else and stop wasting your time. I’ll try to be a more detailed asshole from now on.”
It’s your opinion the idea isn’t good. That doesn’t make it a fact. He likes the idea and it’s his art – not yours – you don’t like the idea, so don’t do it. But he’s not wasting his time. You have to be true to yourself in art and not try to please anyone else.
There’s a million things I don’t like in art that others do, and I’m sure vica versa for the things I do. It shouldn’t be soley (or maybe even at all) about if you like it subjectively, I think that is beside the point in critique.
It’s not being an asshole to give harsh feedback – it’s being an asshole to just give one liners saying ‘it sucks’, ‘it’s shit’ etc. without saying why – and just leave people hanging. You know because you seem to know shit loads, so how about some elaboration. Otherwise what do you expect anyone to learn? People are on here asking for help and sometimes you give great help that teaches – other times you don’t. So yeah, a more detailed asshole would be great, cheers 😉
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