Thanks for the link to this thread. I am only participating in one of the certificate programs and I do participate in any photography classes that the local community college offers. I have to say I am disappointed to see such negative things about the college, but it won’t stop me from finishing what I started. I will also look into the Kelby training. After seeing the DKlemms posts I am concerned about the critiques I get, although right now the classes I have taken are more about adobe editing programs than it is about the actual photograph itself. I can say I feel I have learned more from these classes than I would have on my own. Like I said in the other thread I hope to find a local photographer that I can do an apprenticeship with.